“It's a great gift…” Interview with Rose Auger

“It's a great gift…” Interview with Rose Auger

(This interview is from a talk with Mike Patterson at the KUMIK in Ottawa and first appeared in Aboriginal VOICES Magazine. Rose passed over in 2006 after a long career as a respected Elder and medicine person.)

Rose Auger is a medicine woman of the Woodland Cree people from Driftpile reserve, near Faust Alberta. We talked about music, although there is no word for music in Native languages. The drum, rattle and flute, the songs, are all used for sacred and other purposes, they are all part of something larger than just music. "People say the Indian way of life is gone after 500 years, but look at me. I'm here."
Her music and her ceremonies are used to bring spirits and help the people. The social system today and the lifestyles of people, particularly in the cities, is putting their spirits and bodies in danger. The nine to five lifestyle for money, the culture of the TV, the inner city life that leaves so many people lost, are all killing people. Rose works to help people see the reality of the red road.
"Sometimes I wonder how it can work, with the way we have our lifestyles, they way we eat, the way we abuse our body in all that we do. You know, a lot of people are so tired from a day's work that they'll go home and then they'll try to relax with alcohol or whatever. More abuse ! And then finally they fall asleep in the wee hours, then get up and take off again. That's a very abusive life. And then they wonder why they have all this turmoil in their life, and disease in their body, it's just chaos.
"I see this, and try my very best to bring it out to people, to say 'stop doing that, there is a better way.' You know we were here thousands of years, and we know a better way. We have the values of our ancestors, which are in our genes, which are here. Stop using this harmful drink, this harmful drugs, and values. Your values are not good, it's driving you crazy."
Governments and society are in a state of denial in regards to the sickness that has fallen on mother earth. As a result, purification foreseen by the Cree in the West has begun. "The purification already has happened. If you pay attention, look at the world and the natural disasters, that's part of purification. Your earthquakes, your floods like the great ones down Florida way and Texas - that's all part of it. The purification means many lives lost and many, many people totally wiped out. You have your air disasters, your wars, your fanatics who wipe out people.
"A lot of people think that purification is the end of the world. I don't think that's the way it is. It just a way that's going to change things: The money markets are going to collapse, money is going to have less and less value, and people are going to have to learn how to survive and go back to the old ways and the land, to relearn their natural traditions in order to become whole.
"When the holy people were putting out their teachings of prophecy, they told us: 'Go back to the land. Learn how to find your water. Old knowledge. Learn how, so that when purification happens you will be prepared for it.' I've done that, I've led people back to the land to prepare for that purification, but they're just too weak, too weak. They gotta have town, town..."
Rose tries to show people how to live with the land and the spirits on the land. Not everybody is ready to learn. Some time ago at Timbers (a sacred site in Alberta), she went out to help people prepare for the purification by teaching them about the land there.
"The first year they put in the garden they didn't get much out of it because the gophers got it all, you see ? (laughs) So that's as far as they went, they didn't learn how they had to do it. They could have put up offerings and fixed it so that those ones would not do that, you see, because you're working with the spirits.
"And that's the way it went. And that's the way it goes today. People are willing to grasp at our value system, our knowledge, our wisdom. But they can only go so far. When it means changing your lifestyle or doing things differently - that's a very difficult move to make. And then there are some young people are so super eager about saying 'oh yes yes I'm gonna give up my job and go back to the land and be like you were, before white man came.
"And I say 'yes that is super, that is wonderful, but let me tell you my dear friend, you must have support in what you do. You can't do it alone.' And you must also know how to relate to mother earth and all the beings, whether it's trees or medicine or water. You have to make that connection. And don't jump into it. Your body cannot take it. Your mind is too unbalanced. Your mind will get the worst of you. So you have to do it in a way that makes the transition wise.
"Continue to have some place where you have this (your life today) and then, work at it over there. Because when you get over there and you want to live the right way, you have to know that it's not just for today, but fifty years from now. You will build that place for the generations coming, that they will have a place. To have the natural water, and to have the medicines.
"I built a round house, and the beavers kept making dams because that was their area and we came and invaded it. And so they kept making their dams and our land was flooding and we couldn't keep our horses and our cattle there because their hoofs would suffer, it was too damp. So finally I had to do a ceremony and ask the beaver to pity us, and go somewhere else. And they did. They moved, you see... that is the teaching of our ancient ancestors, that we have a way of living in harmony with the beings.
"The thing was, some of the people who were there building, said 'Well go get us some dynamite and we'll dynamite the beaver dam and houses and that's how we'll get rid of them.' And I said 'No, no, you don't need to do that, that's destructive, to disturb all the plant life, all the waters."
Some people are now waking up, says Rose. "People are just now saying: 'What happened here ?' (speaking of the crisis in the world today). And then when we come in and tell them, they may accept it or they might try to find other ways of looking at it. But most times people just will not make those changes that they need to make in order to know a better way of life.
"That better way of life was here for thousands of years. Those days, those times, there were no prisons or hospitals. We always lived in harmony and our people who were medicine people, or people of visions, people of dreams, they played all those parts to keep the nations alive and in harmony.
Rose plays her part through her music, her ceremonies, and travels. These things are done to reach people. She has 126 spirits, and she carries a yuipi ceremony, given to her by a Sioux medicine man who had carried it for 42 years. "He came to my land, and passed it to me and one of my brothers.
"I have my own sacred songs and they're addressed to different spirit people, and different things. Most of them came to me and the others, that were passed to me, came when the ceremony was passed to me. That's how it works. The music and the ceremony are all one. If you profess to know a ceremony and you don't have the music, then it's not a ceremony."
She doesn't use a drum, she uses a rattle. "Me, I have turtle rattles, and I've had a turtle rattle since I can remember. Someone coming up here will say 'how come there's turtle rattles here, there's no turtles here...' you know, but the spirits are universal. We knew the turtle and we had the turtle in our ceremonies... it's a real ancient spirit. The same as you see shells, we use shells... all these things are everywhere. How it came about is... back there somewhere. I'm just a baby, I don't know."
She says that people have been travelling a long, long time. "Turtle rattles, they have them in the West and in the East. I've had different rattles given me like the small ones, I like the small ones, the ones that I work with. I also have a big one, which was given to me by the Onondaga (firekeepers of the Iroquois Confederacy). A grandmother brought me there and I did some doctoring and they gave me this rattle and they gave me tobacco and they gave me a lot of sacred stuff. It's because of love of our ceremonies.
"Spirits are so holy, that's why we have rattles. That's why we have a ceremony. We put all these sacred objects there for them to use. To touch us, that's how holy they are. That's why we have what we have, you know - the pipe, the rattles, the sage, all these sacred things.
"We put them there for them (the spirits) to come, and to cleanse us, heal us - all that we need. And we always ask for everything, in our ceremonies. We ask for forgiveness for the mistakes we made, anything that we may have inflicted on somebody that caused them pain, or maybe put them off course on their path.
"What mistakes we make, we have to ask for forgiveness and ask, you know, to learn. Show me, teach me, have no pity on me - how else am I going to learn ? In my early years I made a lot of mistakes. I kept worrying: 'I can't do this, I'm not holy enough, I wont be able to do this - I've just done too many things that are not good.' And the holy man who passed the lodge to me kept saying 'it's not your choice, the spirits chose you, you have to do it, you have no choice.
"Most people have their own free destiny, they can choose. I'm not one of them. This is what I was told, and so, regardless of how I may try to run away and ignore what comes through, it'll keep coming until I respond. And in the beginning I used to really put myself through a lot of pain because I was ignoring the spirit. But I finally learned to realize that there's no other way to go that will leave me this great sense of well being.
"In my life, I've gone through so much, so many places, met so many people. So I'm always prepared to hear what people say, what people think, and I want that. I honour it as much when somebody's upset as when somebody's happy. I just honour what's happening with them, and sometimes it's painful, especially when it's from our own people. Those kind of things are painful.
"But I know a way to free myself from that pain. I just take a smudge and smoke my little pipe, then I'm back on track. Because to work in a holy way you always have to be holy, in order for the spirit to work through you."
A constant healing process is needed for a healthy life. Her helper Celeste Strikeswithagun equates that with learning kindness: "There are people who say: 'Oh I'll do that, I'll do anything (to get the spirituality).' But they don't know what it takes. It takes your whole life to learn about kindness, about being happy."
Rose says that "once you're on it (the road) you just flow with your life. And the part that most people find difficult is the part to give. To give of their time, of theirselves, to give without expectations. When you give you give from your heart. And you know that the creator sees you and watches you, and the creator's going to give you what you need. And you a lot of the time don't even know what that is. But you just know that you do this and it will be given to you.
"Someone who is always giving away things, he just walks free. He doesn't accumulate a bunch of stuff that weighs him down. They're just free. They're just so free in life. That's how our people were. They just roamed this world, everywhere. Because they never got weighed down by the materialistic world. They just had survival, what that was about - and the most important part is the spirituality, being able to get from here to there anytime.
"I have a car, which was given to me. When I get in my car, I light my smudge, I offer my tobacco for protection from anything harmful. Also for help so I can get where I'm going soon. In that process the police might cross my path, but he's busy with someone else or he fell asleep at that moment I went by there, breaking the speed limit.
"When we're in that power, it's just so awesome. Myself, I don't want to be there alone so I work really hard to teach my children, my grandchildren, and all the people who wish to come and learn. Learn and be free to pursue that lifestyle. In this world, it's all connected. We don't separate ourselves from anything. We venture into life with this kind of support and help from our ways.
"Learning to be in harmony, especially with the water... you have to be in harmony and connected with all these things because should it be that some kind of disaster happens, then you're going to have that knowledge, and the spirit people helping you. It's not going to work to just go and be there on the land, and not be connected."
She has had many good times, teaching the people and bringing the spirit to give guidance. Her way of life and her songs are shared by many people. She describes an experience at Waterhen Reserve in Alberta:
"It was so beautiful... we had just put our pipes up and we were fasting, and it was in September, the leaves were just beautiful and the water was incredible. And so here we were, we were coming down from the fast, and the women had brought the food, we were going to have a feast right on the shore of that lake.
"And a whole school of loons were there because that's where they lived, these loons. And so they started coming, and they were just talking and telling each other what we were about, what we were doing. And they were very pleased, because the loon man was there, that's my son Dale, he has this gift of the loon call. So he started to call, and they just came right to the shore, and they were just going in and talking back and we were all in awe of what these loons were doing before our eyes. This wasn't just loons, this was sacred beings and we were in their territory.
"And my son has the loon song, and then the people sang the loon song and we were in unity with these loons. That was so profound for me, I had never seen that before. That unity, that these beings, these loons, knew who we were. And we had a vague idea what they were about. We know they are very sacred, they are the medicine people of the waters, of the land. We knew that, but there was much more than that between us.
"Most people will never really get to know the extent of what everything is about. But everyone can learn things. You learn to be grateful when you have that opportunity to be passed these songs, these rituals and ceremonies - being able to work with these beings. It's a great gift. Even just one spirit."